Concise Minutes - Children, Young People and Education Committee

Meeting Venue:

Committee Room 1 - Senedd

Meeting date: Thursday, 24 October 2019

Meeting time: 09.30 - 12.11
This meeting can be viewed
on Senedd TV at:
http://senedd.tv/en/5721

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Attendance

Category	Names
Assembly Members:	Lynne Neagle AM (Chair) Dawn Bowden AM Hefin David AM Suzy Davies AM Janet Finch-Saunders AM Siân Gwenllian AM
Witnesses:	Julie Morgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services Emma Gammon, Welsh Government Karen Cornish, Welsh Government
Committee Staff:	Llinos Madeley (Clerk) Sarah Bartlett (Deputy Clerk) Lisa Salkeld (Legal Adviser)

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1 Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

1.1 The Chair welcomed Members, there were no apologies.

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2 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - Stage 2 Proceedings

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

Amendment 1A (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 1A was not agreed.

Amendment 1B (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 1B was not agreed.

Amendment 1C (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 1C was not agreed.

Amendment 1D (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 1D was not agreed.

Amendment 1E (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 1E was not agreed.

Amendment 1 (Julie Morgan)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Lynne Neagle	Suzy Davies
Hefin David	Janet Finch-Saunders
Dawn Bowden
Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 1 was agreed.

Amendment 2C (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 2C was not agreed.

Amendment 2A (Suzy Davies)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 2A was not agreed.

Amendment 2D (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 2D was not agreed.

Amendment 2E (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 2E was not agreed.

Amendment 2F (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 2F was not agreed.

Amendment 2G (Jane Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 2G was not agreed.

Amendment 2H (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 2H was not agreed.

Amendment 2I (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 2I was not agreed.

Amendment 2J (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 2J was not agreed.

Amendment 2K (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 2K was not agreed.

Amendment 2B (Suzy Davies) was not moved.

Amendment 2 (Julie Morgan)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Lynne Neagle	Suzy Davies
Hefin David	Janet Finch-Saunders
Dawn Bowden
Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 2 was agreed.

Amendment 3A (Suzy Davies)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 3A was not agreed.

Amendment 3 (Julie Morgan) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 11 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 11 was not agreed.

Amendment 12 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 12 was not agreed.

Amendment 4 (Julie Morgan)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Lynne Neagle	Suzy Davies
Hefin David	Janet Finch-Saunders
Dawn Bowden
Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 4 was agreed.

Amendment 5 (Julie Morgan)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Lynne Neagle	Suzy Davies
Hefin David	Janet Finch-Saunders
Dawn Bowden
Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 5 was agreed.

Amendment 6 (Julie Morgan) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 9 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 9 was not agreed.

Amendment 13 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 13 was not agreed.

Amendment 14 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 14 was not agreed.

Amendment 7 (Julie Morgan)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Lynne Neagle	Suzy Davies
Hefin David	Janet Finch-Saunders
Dawn Bowden
Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 7 was agreed.

Amendment 10 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 10 was not agreed.

Amendment 15 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 15 was not agreed.

Amendment 16 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Lynne Neagle
Suzy Davies	Hefin David
	Dawn Bowden
	Sian Gwenllian
Amendment 16 was not agreed.

Amendment 8 (Julie Morgan) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

2.2 The Chair confirmed that all sections and schedules of the Bill have been deemed agreed, completing Stage 2 proceedings.

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3 Papers to note

3.1 The papers were noted.

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4 Motion under Standing Order 17.42(ix) to resolve to exclude the public for the remainder of the meeting

4.1 The Motion was agreed.

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5 Perinatal Mental Health - Follow-up - consideration of the October update from the Welsh Government

5.1 The Committee considered the update from the Minister. It agreed the following:

· to invite the National Clinical Lead to give evidence at a formal committee meeting;

· to invite WHSSC and a representative from Swansea Bay University Health Board and Betsi Cadwaladr University Heath to give evidence at a formal committee meeting;

· to request a Chair’s Plenary statement under Standing Order 12.50 (iv) at an appropriate future date to draw progress to the Assembly’s attention.

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6 Inquiry into Education Otherwise than at School - consideration of approach to evidence gathering

6.1 The Committee considered the approach to evidence gathering. Members agreed to visit three PRU/provider of education services otherwise than at school to speak with young people, staff and parents/carers.

6.2 The Committee agreed the schedule of witnesses for oral evidence sessions, to start in January 2020.

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